RE:2 up or not? [Archive]

pjcruiser

10-02-2006, 04:44 PM

Dockery

10-02-2006, 05:03 PM

Have the lust for the Candy Red rune...however, I'm perplexed.......apparently its load limit is 276 lbs......however Corbin now has dual tourer seats and such for 2 up???? I've read posts of guys riding 2 up on the Rune with 300+ lbs and no difference in handling capability......
Hows it handle compared to the VTX?

Thx.....Going to pull the trigger I think................how's it in the twisty's?? and I also CANNOT find posts on mpg or wether it takes premium or not....... 8)

Premium - Yes
Mileage = 30 to 50 mpg, depending on how hard I get on it.
2up - I ride 2 up, yes with the dual Corbin. However, adding my wife = about 320, so while it's over, it's not by alot. I don't think it's much different than adding the obvious weight, and coordination of two riders. I've never ridden a VTX, so I can't help you there, but the Rune rides like a dream after you get it out of the parking lot. It can be a little intimidating with slow speed turns.

Windskin

10-02-2006, 05:31 PM

I ride two up as well. Totla weight = approx 335 lbs. The bike handles no different than any other I've ridden with two-up. It doesn't feel under braked or unstable. The bike certainly has plenty of torque for pulling 2.

I get mileage in the mid 30s. I've never seen more than 40, so I think saying it gets 50mpg is a far stretch.

I always use premium gas although it can handle less octane.

The bike handles twisties nicely, but the lean angle sucks. You'll scrape pegs long before you max out the bike's corner handling. I've even scraped up my highway pegs mounted to the fake valve covers. You have to remeber it's not a sport bike, it's a cruiser. It's a journey not a race.

RedValk

10-02-2006, 05:33 PM

i NEVER get UNDER 40 mpg....and quite often get 45....and once in a while 47-48. So 50 doesn't seem out of reason to me!

all my riding is solo..........

Dockery

10-02-2006, 05:47 PM

I get mileage in the mid 30s. I've never seen more than 40, so I think saying it gets 50mpg is a far stretch.

I noticed you are in CA, if you have a CA bike, that might part of the difference.

I have hit 50, but the majority of the time I'm in the 45 to 50 range.

Hansb

10-02-2006, 07:26 PM

I've only used regular gas...no need to spend the extra on premium in my opinion.

I've been getting in the 40-45 range, though usually closer to 40 mpg. I've only had the bike since February only put 3,000 miles on it so these numbers may improve.

I usually ride singe, but have the Corbin rumble seat and between me and my girlfriend the combined weight (mostly me!) is 380 lbs and the bike handles no differently in my opinion.

Hans

3putt

10-02-2006, 10:39 PM

It is interesting to hear about the vast differences in gas ussage that people from different areas get. I live in a very flat part of the country. The biggest hill may be 50ft and it is always man made-a bridge. That being said, I go 195 miles before the last gas indicator starts flashing. The fill from there is 4.8 gallons which is right at 40MPG. This never changes regardless of speed(interstate or county roads.

Windskin

10-03-2006, 10:36 AM

Any idea what is on my Cali. bike that I can remove to get better mileage? I'm not sure what is added to Cali. bikes to meet emissions (at point of sale). Now that it's mine, I can mod the crap out of it.

ironmike

10-03-2006, 10:41 AM

I consistantly get 44-46 MPG on premium. On rare occasions, I have seen 49-50 MPG. I ride solo and ride predominately in Ohio farm country.

Iron Mike

dog

10-03-2006, 11:23 AM

[quote="RedValk"]i NEVER get UNDER 40 mpg....and quite often get 45....and once in a while 47-48. So 50 doesn't seem out of reason to me!

all my riding is solo.......... Now Tim is that reported mileage by trailer?? Cause then your mileage mention is by far fetched........dog

ETXRune

10-04-2006, 11:33 PM

All,

I have read the posts concerning mileage and I must also challenge those saying they are getting 40-50mpg.

I use premium gas (octane 92-93) and the best mileage seen so far has been about 37mpg. I do not accelerate a lot where as to burn a lot of gas, so I am wondering how to get the 40-50 mpg????

My honda civic which is a 1500cc get around 40 mpg.....just wondering what I may be doing wrong or maybe catching some 'stretching' their mileage....don't know.....but want to!
:wink:

Frank (ETRune)

ironmike

10-05-2006, 08:29 AM

I set my trip odometer to zero when I need gas. When I fill up the next time, I divide the total miles driven, as indicated on the trip odometer, by the total number of gallons needed to fill the tank, as indicated on the pump, to get my MPG. As previously stated, that mileage is always in the mid 40"s and on rare occasions, in the upper 40"s. But maybe my trip odometer is not accurate or maybe the gas pump is not accurate or maybe we really didn't land on the moon. Any more conspiracy theories out there?

Iron Mike

dog

10-05-2006, 09:20 AM

ETX,maybe exchange engines from the civic to the Rune. That'll give you an extra 3 mpg. Hope this can help. I heard that the Texas State which pumps out tons of gas adds water/ One of Mr Bushes great ideals. Is one of your villages missing an idiot? I wear a t-shirt that reads that very question.And it's not from Carefree....maybe ask one of the high mileagers what octane they use. I use the same as you do but the engine is built to run on lower octane too/ without H20 though. Did you baby the bike when you first took possesion? The Texan heat,humidity and weather may have something to do with lower mileage and also the heat from asphalt-too many variables. Enjoy the week-end. dog

RedValk

10-05-2006, 10:02 AM

all i can tell you is i have a Rune...and the wife has a Rune. when we ride TOGETHER....we get the same mileage. typically about 45-47. When i ride alone, i ride harder, get worse mileage. but it doesn't drop off by much. maybe typically 42-45. That's one of the things that impresses me about this bike. When i ride my Valk easy....with the 6 carbs (and no EFI)...i get about 35-37 mpg. Push the Valk a bit harder, and it QUICKLY drops off to low 30s. Push it pretty hard, and it drops into the high 20s !

This Rune doesn't do that. if i cruise at 70, it gets like 45 mpg. if i cruise at 80-85....it drops off slightly....but only to like 42/43 mpg. i haven't cruised at 100 yet for an extended period of time :wink: :roll:

My bike has the exhaust drilled...and HAS had the BBS problem before. My wife's Rune has NOT had BBS...and her pipes are not drilled. NO DIFFERENCE in mileage.

also, most here have reported getting in the 40s. I'd wonder about those FEW of you reporting getting in the high 30s or lower. Even one time when i raced a guy up and down Cheaha mountain....at high speeds....REALLY running hard, it only dropped my mileage to 40 mpg. i can NEVER remember getting in the 30s. period........

i run NOTHING but high octane....per the manual......

Hansb

10-05-2006, 11:01 AM

From what people have posted, the high octane/a.k.a. premium gas doesn't make that much of a difference. I always get 40+ and have only used regular gas. Maybe now that the prices are coming down a bit again I'll give the premium a try, but for a few extra miles it may not be worth it.

I agree though, riding style doesn't seem to make much difference if any in the mileage, nor does the 2-up. I'd wonder why some are getting below 40...

Hans

Falcon Wing

10-05-2006, 11:47 AM

My bike has the exhaust drilled...and HAS had the BBS problem before. My wife's Rune has NOT had BBS...and her pipes are not drilled. NO DIFFERENCE in mileage.

l......

What does it mean to have the pipes drilled?

Hansb

10-05-2006, 11:58 AM

My pipes are drilled too. It's what's been called an "Exhaust Mod" on the board here. Do a search and you'll find plenty of discussion of it. It basically means drilling a hole in each side of the exhaust (mine's 1.25") that results in a very deep throaty rumble/growl sound...now it sounds like it looks!

But do a search, there's plenty of discussion on the topic.

Hans

Falcon Wing

10-05-2006, 02:39 PM

So, does it make it sound like a Hardly Davidson then? How much noiser is it at speed then? Need ear plugs?

RedValk

10-05-2006, 03:08 PM

does it make it sound like a Harley? I suppose if you disconnected four of the spark plugs.....MAYBE then it MIGHT....running on only two cylinders??? 8) :oops: 8) :roll:

no, thankfully, it sounds NOTHING like a Harley.

SiteData

10-05-2006, 03:56 PM

Tim, even though it’s true, that was not a kind thing to say, the truth can be hurtful.

Hansb

10-05-2006, 04:35 PM

The truth may be hurtful, but thankfully, still the truth! It sounds nothing at all like a Harley. Beautiful throaty sound. In my opinion it doesn't require ear plugs at highway speeds at all.

Hans

PlanetRune1

10-05-2006, 06:28 PM

Definitely a single rider machine with it power, beauty and handling guarantee a blast everytime. When my wife on it i ride very differently, enjoy just as much though. As with exhaust mod. there is a down size to it. Around town my wrist get little tire because i can't stop revving it!!!! :lol: :D :oops: :lol: :twisted: :evil: Best wishes to all. Hyn.

PlanetRune1

10-05-2006, 06:35 PM

Sound like harley? sorry no offence but it remind me of a tractor in vietnam 40 years ago!!

ETXRune

10-05-2006, 10:27 PM

Tim,
Thanks for being professional, as I can count on your honest assessment of issues being discussed.
Dog,
Thanks for the advice to modify my RUNE....I need drawings to see how to perform this and to see how it will look :lol: But the only problem is my bike will no longer be 1832cc (approx. 111 cubic inches) and will longer be a RUNE...although I like the idea.
IronMike,
Thanks for teaching me how to calculate MPG...how did conspiracy theories get to be an issue?? :? Maybe you can verify my cc to cubic inch conversion......if you can???

Hey all,
My question was meant to find out if anyone is doing anything different than me....as an engineer and mba graduate I usually try to find out solutions to problems.....all I can do is experiment and try to improve my MPG like several of you...not sure how this got to be a political issue either...hey, maybe Mr. Bush sold me a low grade RUNE??? The blame game continues. :wink:

WIZ

10-15-2006, 01:27 AM

well no matter how i ride,35 to 38 mpg.55 0r 85 mph,this machine is hard to keep under 75 anyway.

WIZ

10-15-2006, 01:29 AM

how in the world are u guys getting this miledge ?

ETXRune

10-15-2006, 12:44 PM

ttip,
The only thing I can figure is that I do not ride mine over a long distance at one time. My rides are short periodic cruises, thus the comparison between city and highway driving. The mileage will vary. The corvette we have can vary from 17-18 in city driving to around 27-30 for highway. What I think, and this is my opinion, the 40+ mileage getters are long distant rides. Fill'er up and ride 250 miles, then fill'er up and ride another 250 miles. I have not done that yet, :oops: , okay my bad, but I do plan on it though. My wife and I want to ride to several places the corvette club has ridden to lately (she rides a Suzuki SV650 sport bike).
Anyhow, I think this is the reason for the disparity between riders MPG.
ETXRune (Frank) 8)

Hansb

10-15-2006, 05:35 PM

That doesn't hold true for me...I sometimes take longer trips, but most of my riding is local stuff, 10 to 20 miles or so and no highway and I still get 40 mpg.

Lyn-Del

10-16-2006, 06:42 AM

On the trip to Erwin, my mileage ranged from 32 to 47 .... the 32 was most likely the tank on which I was running 120mph. Just because I could.

The 47 was most likely the day the group rode in NC, where the speed was kept down.

The same effect, though not as high of mileage, was found this weekend on a Valk Interstate. Running the freeways at 80-95 had much poorer mileage than riding the Hill Country did.

Keeping the RPMs down pays off in gas mileage. Shame it ain't always fun!

DonnaM

10-16-2006, 07:45 PM

I get 40 - 45 MPG no matter how hard I ride. There are a lot of people on this board who can attest to the speed and skill that I ride at. I have never gotten less than 40MPG. I averaged about 92MPH on my ride home from Erwin last month and I was still north of 40MPG.

I get 8000 miles on my front tires and do quite a bit of mountain riding as well. It's all about technique, finesse, and taking care of the bike! :lol:

Rich Oas

10-18-2006, 09:31 AM

I have always gotten between 35 and 40 mpg (except with BBS) .... I was steady at around 35mpg until I upped my tire pressures from 34psi front and rear ...to 40psi front and 38psi rear ...which is where I get my best tire wear... 7500 front and 15000 rear. My mileage moved up to a steady 38 with an occasional 40mpg. I had one spell this past summer during which I got 42-45mpg (best ever)....I was really surprised and could only attribute the change to an unusually really hot week...the entire week was 95F -100F...That doesn't happen up here (Upper Penninsula of Mich) very often....But it might explain why Donna and you other Rebs get such good mileage...warm climate. After a week of that mileage...and a sudden drop off back to 38-40 mpg which seemed to coorelate to a temp change back down to the low 80'sF... I began thinking it might be good to preheat my intake air... Gas can affect my mileage by as much as 10-15%...I use a variety of gas stations while riding and I will tell you...there are differences in every tank of gas I pump.... and there is no method to the diferences...I can get gas at a Shell with 93oct one day and it will run clean and get 40mpg ... a week later at the same Shell station ...same pump... no question a different gas ...35mpg. My babyd will spit ...some smoke and I will get 2-5 mpg less... My exhaust pipes are my gas mileage barometer...I can fairly accurately guess my mileage by looking at the color of and the amount of soot I have to clean. slight light bluing = good(near 40mpg)...Heavy black = bad(35mpg)..... Nearing 38,000 miles now... Blah..blah blah...blah blah blah blah... :chatter:

ETXRune

10-18-2006, 10:00 AM

Rich,
Thanks for the advice.....something I was looking for to try and improve my MPG. I just recently increase the air pressure in both front and back to 41 - 42 psi....I will be checking to see how this may improve my gas mileage. I believe the front was at 36 psi and the back around 40 psi.

ETXRune(Frank)

ken wilson

10-20-2006, 11:05 AM

over 5k mi on my rune - worst mileage i've gotten was 26 - best 42 - i've always used premium - don't use gas containing ethanol - i think my mileage increased a bit when i switched to pure synthetic oil at 4k mi - did exhaust mod and ride pretty agressively - but like an old gramma to get up to 42 mpg

ETXRune

11-26-2006, 10:18 PM

All,

I just ran across the RUNE specifications.....

Take a look at the FUEL ratings that they listed:
High = 38.8 mpg
Low = 36.7 mpg
Average = 37.4 mpg

I can see some getting 40 mpg, but c'mon 50 mpg??? when the spec's say differently...Those getting the 50 mpg, is this all highway at a set speed or is this combined city highway, or is this city driving....still curious.

http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/mcn/mod ... n10031.pdf (http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/mcn/model_eval/Model_Evaluation10031.pdf)

THUMPER

11-26-2006, 11:30 PM

I agree with you Frank..... My Cali Rune averages about 35. I really don't care about the MPG (cost) as long as bike is running good. But MPT (miles per tank) matters to me. I like go as far as I can before refueling. Don't like fueling at ever station just to make sure I can make it across a short stretch of country side. ......THUMPER :lol:

RedValk

11-27-2006, 10:01 AM

i feel for you guys. all i can tell you is, we....have TWO of them. and they both get almost identical mileage.....about 45 mpg average. Somtimes....HIGHER....sometimes....lower.

The lowest i can ever remember getting is about 40. The highest...about 50. consistantly....about 45. and Sherry and i drive TOTALLY differently...yet both Runes....with both riders....get the same consistantly. if we ride together at the same speed, when we fill up...and we ALWAYS fill up together on the same pump at the same time.....we ALWAYS take EXACTLY the same amount.

and we get that 45 with any kind of driving. Hiway doing 70-80. in town, etc. again, it may go down to low 40s or hi 40s....but day in and day out, it's right at 45.

PERIOD..........

asacuta

11-27-2006, 12:23 PM

Since the Rune's fuel injection is an open-loop system that depends on throttle position (i.e., it doesn't have an oxygen sensor for closed-loop operation), it would be very sensitive to any adjustment of the TPS (Throttle Position Sensor). The TPS has slots in its body that allow the factory to adjust the angular position. Once adjusted, the factory seals the screw heads with white expoxy. Any bikes set at the factory to a "leaner" condition would get great gas mileage; any set to a "richer" condition would get worse gas mileage. Leaner bikes wouldn't exhibit any of the problems that sometimes appear with lean mixtures (preignition or detonation) because the Rune's engine has knock sensors that allow the Engine Control Unit to compensate. There would be differences in emissions, but with the Rune's air injection, emissions would likely still fall within the allowed range.

THUMPER

11-27-2006, 02:14 PM

I was talking to luis (VALKSHADOW) about how high are Runes idle. They seem both to idle high. Since Runes are rare I really have no others to compare it too. Does this seem or sound normal? ........THUMPER :roll:

hogzilla

11-27-2006, 02:59 PM

Hey ...... Just for grins. Do you think that since our speedometers are not calibrated and show that we are going faster than we are, do you think that is where our gas mileage differences are coming from?

Just something to think about.

asacuta

11-27-2006, 03:04 PM

Everybody's speedos read 4% fast, unless they've installed a SpeedoHealer or tires with a larger outside diameter. If the odometer is also reading 4% high, then everybody should be reporting gas mileage that is 4% higher than actual. The error doesn't account for the large differences in mileage.

RedValk

11-27-2006, 03:15 PM

again, both Sherry and my Runes get same mileage....and same higher speedo error. oh, and they both DO tend to idle a bit high at times.........

about the only difference between them is hers doesn't have exhaust mod...and mine does. Therefore, mine sounds MUCH better ....and has just a bit less soot on exhaust after longer rides.

oh, and one more difference. Hers is red. mine is the 'primer' color 8) :? :roll:

SiteData

11-27-2006, 03:29 PM

Of course Sherry’s Rune is RED,……………. it’s a girls bike.

Rich Oas

11-29-2006, 02:09 PM

Ascuta wrote...
[Once adjusted, the factory seals the screw heads with white expoxy. Any bikes set at the factory to a "leaner" condition would get great gas mileage; any set to a "richer" condition would get worse gas mileage.]

This is the most understandable explanation I have heard to date regarding differences in our mileage...Now my question would be...if the Rune is designed to run rich...which is what I read prior to purchasing mine... do those who are getting great gas mileage by running leaner also risk long term damage to their engine????[/quote]

Rich Oas

11-29-2006, 02:15 PM

Of course Sherry’s Rune is RED,……………. it’s a girl bike.

That's right...that's why I love my bike so much....because she is so girl....and I do love girls...

So Chuck and Tim....explain please... :shock:

asacuta

11-29-2006, 07:36 PM

With the engine knock sensors, I doubt a lean condition would cause any damage; however, the engine may be more prone to overheating.

totaldoug

12-12-2009, 05:52 PM

All,

My honda civic which is a 1500cc get around 40 mpg.....just wondering what I may be doing wrong or maybe catching some 'stretching' their mileage....don't know.....but want to!
:wink:

Frank (ETRune)

Frank

You can't compare a 1,500cc car with an 1,832cc bike for fuel consumption. Large motorbikes have drag co-efficients much the same as a large bus which is why they drink so much gas despite their much lower weight than cars. The turbulence of rotating wheels, sticking out lamps and rider's arms etc mean that we cut through the air like barn doors! A properly tuned Rune should probably be getting around 40mpg, bearing in mind that a US gallon is only 80% the volume of an imperial gallon!
There you go!
Doug 8)8):grin:

Charger68

12-12-2009, 08:05 PM

E-85 here for the past year, 38mpg and the response is NOW!!!!!

Darrshe

12-12-2009, 08:17 PM

Currently getting 40-42 mpg consistently, while living and driving in flat Florida. Bought bike new in Arkansas and drove it home to Florida, still got 40-42 mpg using premium fuel all the time. Does smell like it runs rich. Even stopped at traffic lights I smell a rich mixture, but doesn't appear to affect gas mileage. No Big Black Smoke-so guess I'm OK lol.