flex engine

[musclemike]

i just read this article and it made me wonder what the fuel situation will be in a few years. i would like to know what effect ethanol has on the rune if any. for those of you who like learning about money this website is imo the first step on the yellow brick road. don't say i never gave you anything.......mike http://www.financialsense.com/editorial ... /0409.html (http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/weiss/2007/0409.html)

[WIZ]

ethanol will not work in our runes.but a ten % mixture of ethanol will..with our ecm set up,it does not have the ability to speed up or slow down the rpms of the pistons...by altering cam settings....ethanol burns to fast......and to hot...
for our RUNES to survive very long on it.....it would take more than prayer.........
.....but it is a good investment.......
a ten % mixture has been used since 1978 in some states....
in the 1980's feds.made the fuel companys post the mixture......
the market dropped because we did not need it then........
but we did.......and do......

[musclemike]

thanks tom i knew you knew..........mike

[WIZ]

right now in the domestic market, chrysler products have the best flex fuel engines,they have been in the flex fuel engine market for years.....
although the rest of the vehicle will not hold up like there engines and computer systems.......thats to bad because chrysler products are a good buy......but only for 80,000 miles......then the vehicle just starts falling apart......
GM is now producing a lot of flex fuel engines and computer systems for many vehicle aplications,
GM has the best computer system in the domestic market........
FORD has always been one step behind GM in the computer industry.
GM has led in the vehicle computer systems for years........
now for none domestic applications,they have all made leeps and bounds.
and in america we are seeing the top three auto makers ,GM,FORD,CHRYSLER,being replaced at thier top spots,,,,,,
and that is good news for the domestic market,,,now we will start to see more quality built in to the vehicles that have been for so long taking the
the public for granted...........
the european market has always been about,comfort and performance...
and most vehicles have for a long time,have had the domestic market beat on fuel consumption.....
the asian market started and still are in the fuel saving market.....
thier first flex fuel engine was produced in 1971 the datsun b210 model
with no computers slowing down the piston speed...would run on anything
except water......could not kill this vehicle.............but in an accident you would be better off on a motorcycle...not safe at all.........

[Wolverine]

Hate disagreeing with professional mechanic, but.....


ethanol burns to fast......and to hot...

refer to article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

Octane rating of pure ethanol is 129, which means it burns way slower than regular gas and even aviation gas. It also contains slightly less energy when burned (burns cooler) because you have replaced a carbon=hydrogen unit with a carbon-OH unit in the molecule. It is also less dense than gasoline, so that with equal volumes of gas and ethanol, you have less ethanol, BY WEIGHT, and the lesser amount by weight of ethanol fuel produces a lesser total amount of energy when
burnt.

http://www.cleanairtrust.org/E85-Gas-Mi ... ption.html (http://www.cleanairtrust.org/E85-Gas-Mileage-Consumption.html)

The above link shows that the mileage penalty with ethanol fuel compared to pure gas was up to 34%--with pure ethanol. 10% mix would then have roughly a 3.4% mileage penalty

Biggest problem I had heard of with high ethanol concentrations was that it "ate" and degraded both metallic and non metallic parts of the fuel system in older model cars that were not designed for alcohol fuels. With up to 10% you were OK, especially if anhydrous (no water) ethanol was used in the blend.

Sorry to disagree with you, t.tip, but I think the above cites speak for themselves

[WIZ]

wolverine, no prob......
just read the article that muclemike posted........
ethanol,,,,,,burns must faster than fosil fuels....thus creating more heat.....http://ww.financialsense.com/editorials ... /0409.html (http://ww.financialsense.com/editorials/weiss/2007/0409.html)

[stewie]

nut'n burns hotter than NOS... :)

in fact in the last issue is the Honda Red Rider mag... they had a picture of a guys rune with a 2lb NOS bottle mounted on each side of the bike....

[WIZ]

ok,....
ethanol burns @ 2400 btu........regular gas or 87 octane burns @ 1900 btu
the higher the btu the hoter the flame........and they also are speaking of blended fuel,,,,,,i also mentioned a 10 % blend is fine......
but any alcohol fuel burns hot......i can show you on an infrared thermometer aimed @ exhaust manifolds of any vehicle.......
i can tell you the octane of fuel and type of fuel ie(alcoho or fossil) that
the vehicle is running just by temp...add water mist to the injection and watch the temp fly.......i stand with my state ment that a blended fuel will be fine up to 10%.......and my many years of repairing fuel systems on aircraft..........the airforce kc135 takes the highest fuel octane rating
and then has to inject h2o in to combustion chamber just to get compressor hot enough to generate enough force,to lift aircraft and payload......... the hydrogen in the water is cool......but the oxygen in water,fuels the fire....the bluer the flame the hotter the flame,,,,the hoter the flame the more horsepower generated.....but i only built jet engines for ten years........

[stewie]

you tell'm tom....

[WIZ]

oh yes,,,,,generating hps.....heat???????
my point.....the cooler the heat or flash point less hps can be gererated..

[dog]

I hear something burned real fast in Nashville....................can't measure it but I sure got the hell out there fast. Like I had nos (four bottles) and my gator aide replaced with aviation fuel-just to keep warm and get rid of that tequila stench from Toms mints,what a buzz! stewie you okey now?dog