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Maintenance schedule says nothing about changing engine oil after first 1000 miles. Is it correct?
What about breaking in? Any advices? :?
 

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IMHO

There is no real break in for this engine. I'd try to keep it under 5500 rpm and 85 mph for the first 30 minutes.

The manual states your first oil change is at 4k miles. I did mine at 1500.

I switched to synthetic just because I like long oil interval changes and will stick with the K mile schedule.
 

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did my first at 4k per book. doing next one at 12k per book. will switch to synthetic at 12k change.....

this bike is like VTX, no 600 mile service. First one per book at 4k.
 

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Rear End - Oil - Break In

Darek- I wish I had drained/replaced the rear end 80W gear oil sooner than 5,000 miles when I did it. The amount of metal on the magnet was about the same as a #2 pencil eraser -- more than I wanted to see. I switched to Amsoil Synthetic 75W-90 gear oil (5.2 oz). Well, actually, one oz was Dow Corning Gear Guard M Molykote.

I behaved and did not go over 132mph during the first 10 miles of having my bike... I have basically run it 95+ all the time. My commute to work is 60 miles on South Carolina's I-95/I-26, and, well, lets say that the Rune is a fantastic commuter bike on the interstate! I use a backpack to carry my laptop computer, etc, and a larger backpack when I carry my French Horn to orchestra concerts.
Another note on breakin: the brakes/pads. I did some heavy braking on the front/rear brakes to get them "set" and I try to use the rear brakes every now and then to keep the wear equal. at 6,000 miles, it looks like I have only another 1,000 miles to go before the front tire needs replacing. ken-sc
 

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I changed my oil at around 1,000 miles pretty much because it made me feel better and I wanted to get a feel for changing the oil filter on the bike. I changed it out with Castrol Actevo from my dealer. I will probably switch to Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil the next time around and will change my rear end lube at the same time.
 
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I manage a Honda bike shop in Montreal Quebec. Here's my two cents on new motor break in. Prepare unit with a good quality mineral oil, pick a nice long straight away (a slight incline is preferred) and run the bike through the gear box up to red line. Repeat 2 or more times. Drop oil, fill with synthetic, semi-synthetic or good quality mineral oil. The main objective with a new engine is to seat the rings. Leakdown tests show engines "broken in" this way exhibit less blow by (leakage) than engines that are "babied". I've used this method on my last 4 wings and the Rune and all bikes run smoothly with excellent power. I've seen too many wings with 50,000kms that were "babied" and the cylinders still have visible cross hatches and excessive leakage. Hope this is of value to the members.

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Changed both the engine and finial drive at 500 miles. Engine oil and filter were both very clean; my experience with the finial gear drive oil was the same as Ken's. The magnet had done its job well; I cleaned a #2 pencil eraser's worth of metal from it. I'm going to change the finial drive oil at 1500, heck it only takes 4.2 ounces to fill it. At 4000 miles I'll switch to semi-synthetic oil plus add 1/2 quart of dura lube to the engine. Dura lube has made all my bikes shift smoother and run cooler. The cooling fans on my Inturder 700 and VFR 800 would always be kicking on and off in traffic or on hot days. Since I started using dura lube they only kick on, on very hot days in heavy stop and go traffic and I've never had any engine trouble. I know the VFR’s normal operating temperature has dropped by 15 degrees but VFRs are notorious for running hot. The stuff works for me.
 

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Duralube

duralube contains clorine. We have other posts about oils. The Federal Trade Commission has told Duralube to stop advertising that it works. Guys, please weigh in on my Poll about lubricants so we can track the oils on one thread. Thanks!!!! And keep riding without rubbing too hard! Ken

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION

COMMISSIONERS:
Robert Pitofsky, Chairman
Sheila F. Anthony
Mozelle W. Thompson
Orson Swindle
Thomas B. Leary
In the Matter of

DURA LUBE CORPORATION,
AMERICAN DIRECT MARKETING, INC.,
HOWE LABORATORIES, INC.,
CRESCENT MANUFACTURING, INC.,
NATIONAL COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION,
THE MEDIA GROUP, INC., corporations, and
HERMAN S. HOWARD and
SCOTT HOWARD, individually and as officers of the corporations.

Docket No. 9292

DECISION AND ORDER

The Federal Trade Commission having issued its complaint charging the respondents named in the caption hereof with violation of Section 5(a) of the Federal Trade Commission Act, as amended, and the respondents having been served with a copy of that complaint, together with a notice of contemplated relief; and

The respondents, their attorneys, and counsel for the Commission having thereafter executed an agreement containing a consent order, an admission by the respondents of all the jurisdictional facts set forth in the complaint, a statement that the signing of said agreement is for settlement purposes only and does not constitute an admission by respondents of facts, other than jurisdictional facts, or of violations of law as alleged in the complaint issued by the Commission; and

The Secretary of the Commission having thereafter withdrawn this matter from adjudication in accordance with § 3.25(c) of its Rules; and

The Commission having considered the matter and having thereupon accepted the executed consent agreement and placed such agreement on the public record for a period of thirty (30) days, now in further conformity with the procedure prescribed in § 3.25(f) of its Rules, the Commission hereby makes the following jurisdictional findings and enters the following order:

1.a. Respondent Dura Lube Corporation ("DLC") is a New York corporation with its principal office or place of business at 102-3 Hamilton Avenue, Stamford, Connecticut 06902.

1.b. Respondent American Direct Marketing, Inc. ("ADM") is a Delaware corporation with its office and principal place of business located at 1000 Apex Street, Nashville, Tennessee 37210.

1.c. Respondent Howe Laboratories, Inc. ("Howe") is a Delaware corporation with its office and principal place of business located at 102-3 Hamilton Avenue, Stamford, Connecticut 06902.

1.d. Respondent Crescent Manufacturing, Inc. ("Crescent") is a New York corporation with its office and principal place of business located at 8800 South Main Street, Eden, New York 14057.

1.e. Respondent The Media Group, Inc. ("Media Group") is a New York corporation with its office and principal place of business located at 102-3 Hamilton Avenue, Stamford, Connecticut 06902.

1.f. National Communications Corporation ("National") is a Delaware corporation with its office and principal place of business located at 102-3 Hamilton Avenue, Stamford, Connecticut 06902.

1.g. Respondent Herman S. Howard is or was at relevant times herein an officer of the corporate respondents. Individually or in concert with others, he has formulated, directed, or controlled the acts and practices of the corporate respondents, including the acts or practices alleged in this complaint. His principal office or place of business is the same as that of DLC, Howe, Media Group, and National.

1.h. Respondent Scott Howard is or was at relevant times herein an officer of the corporate respondents. Individually or in concert with others, he has formulated, directed, or controlled the acts and practices of the corporate respondents, including the acts or practices alleged in this complaint. His principal office or place of business is the same as that of DLC, Howe, Media Group, and National.

2. The Federal Trade Commission has jurisdiction of the subject matter of this proceeding and of the respondents, and the proceeding is in the public interest.
ORDER

Definitions

For purposes of this Order, the following definitions shall apply:

"Dura Lube" shall mean the aftermarket motor oil additive known as Super Dura Lube Engine Treatment, Advanced Dura Lube Engine treatment, or any product of substantially similar composition marketed as a motor oil product.

"Motor oil product" shall mean a product for use in conjunction with or in place of fully formulated motor oil.

"Competent and reliable scientific evidence" shall mean tests, analyses, research, studies, or other evidence based on the expertise of professionals in the relevant area, that has been conducted and evaluated in an objective manner by persons qualified to do so, using procedures generally accepted in the profession to yield accurate and reliable results.
Unless otherwise specified, "respondents" shall mean Dura Lube Corporation, American Direct Marketing, Inc., Howe Laboratories, Inc., Crescent Manufacturing, Inc., The Media Group, Inc., and National Communications Corporation, corporations, their successors and assigns, and their officers, agents, attorneys, representatives, and employees; and Herman S. Howard and Scott Howard, individually and as officers of the corporations, whether acting directly or through any corporation, subsidiary, division, trust or other device, or any of them.

"Commerce" shall be as defined in Section 4 of the Federal Trade Commission Act, 15 U.S.C. § 44.

I.

IT IS ORDERED that respondents, in connection with the manufacturing, advertising, labeling, packaging, offering for sale, sale, or distribution of Dura Lube, in or affecting commerce, shall not represent, in any manner, expressly or by implication, that:

A. Dura Lube contains no chlorinated compound unless such is the case;

B. Dura Lube has been tested by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency unless such is the case; or

C. Dura Lube meets the specifications, requirements or standards of any governmental or standard setting organization, unless, at the time of making such representation, respondents possess and rely upon competent and reliable evidence, which when appropriate must be competent and reliable scientific evidence, that substantiates the representation.
II.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondents, in connection with the manufacturing, advertising, labeling, packaging, offering for sale, sale, or distribution of any product for use in any motor vehicle, in or affecting commerce, do forthwith cease and desist from:

A. Making any representation, in any manner, expressly or by implication:

1. That, compared to motor oil alone or motor oil treated with any other product, using such product:

a. Reduces engine wear;

b. Reduces engine wear by any percentage, dollar or other figure;

c. Prolongs engine life;

d. Reduces emissions;

e. Reduces the risk of serious engine damage when oil pressure is lost;

f. Improves gas mileage;

g. Improves gas mileage by any percentage, miles per gallon, dollar, or other figure;

2. That one or any other number of treatments of such product reduces wear for 50,000 or any other number of miles; or,
3. Regarding the performance, benefits, efficacy, attributes or use of such product,
unless, at the time of making such representation, respondents possess and rely upon competent and reliable evidence, which when appropriate must be competent and reliable scientific evidence, that substantiates the representation.

B. Misrepresenting, in any manner, expressly or by implication, the existence, contents, validity, results, conclusions, or interpretations of any test or study.

III.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondents, in connection with the manufacturing, advertising, labeling, packaging, offering for sale, sale, or distribution of any product, in or affecting commerce, shall not misrepresent, in any manner, expressly or by implication, that any demonstration, picture, experiment, illustration or test proves, demonstrates or confirms any material quality, feature or merit of such product, or the superiority or comparability of the product in a material respect relative to any other product.

IV.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, respondents, in connection with the manufacturing, advertising, labeling, packaging, offering for sale, sale, or distribution of any product for use in any motor vehicle, in or affecting commerce, shall cease and desist from representing, directly or by implication, that such product has been endorsed by a person, group or organization that is an expert with respect to the endorsement message, unless:

A. The endorser's qualifications give the endorser the expertise that the endorser is represented as possessing with respect to the endorsement; and

B. The endorsement is supported by an objective and valid evaluation or test using procedures generally accepted by experts in that science or profession to yield accurate and reliable results.
V.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, for five (5) years after the last date of dissemination of any representation covered by this order, respondents shall maintain and upon request make available to the Federal Trade Commission for inspection and copying:

A. All labeling, packaging, advertisements and promotional materials setting forth any representation covered by this order;

B. All materials that were relied upon to substantiate any representation covered by this order; and

C. All tests, reports, studies, surveys, demonstrations or other evidence in their possession or control, or of which they have knowledge, that contradict, qualify, or call into question such representation, or the basis relied upon for the representation, including complaints and other communications with consumers, third-party dispute mediators, or governmental or consumer protection organizations.
VI.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that:

A. The corporate respondents and their successors and assigns shall notify the Federal Trade Commission at least thirty (30) days prior to any change in the corporate respondents that may affect compliance obligations arising under this order, including but not limited to dissolution, assignment, sale, merger or other action that would result in the emergence of a successor corporation, the creation or dissolution of a subsidiary, parent, or affiliate that engages in any acts or practices subject to this order, the proposed filing of a bankruptcy petition, or a change in the corporate name or address. Provided, however, that with respect to any proposed change in the corporation about which respondents learn less than thirty (30) days prior to the date such action is to take place, respondents shall notify the Commission as soon as practicable after obtaining such knowledge.

B. Each of the individual respondents, for a period of ten (10) years after the date of issuance of this order, shall notify the Federal Trade Commission of the discontinuance of his current business or employment, or his affiliation with any new business or employment. The notice shall include the respondent's new business address and telephone number and a description of the nature of the business or employment and his duties and responsibilities.
All notices required by this Part shall be sent by certified mail to the Associate Director for Enforcement, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Federal Trade Commission, Washington, D.C. 20580.

VII.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the corporate respondents and their successors and assigns and the individual respondents shall deliver a copy of this order to all current and future principals, officers, directors, and managers, and to all current and future employees, agents, and representatives having responsibilities with respect to the subject matter of this order, and shall secure from each such person a signed and dated statement acknowledging receipt of this order. Respondents shall deliver this order to current personnel within thirty (30) days after the service of this order, and to future personnel within thirty (30) days after the person assumes such position and responsibilities.

VIII.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondents shall:

A. Within fifteen (15) days after the date of service of this order, send by first class certified mail, return receipt requested, to each purchaser for resale of Dura Lube with which respondents have done business since January 1, 1994, notice of this order in the form attached as Attachment A. The mailing shall not include any other documents;

B. By May 15, 2000, send a representative to all facilities operated by each purchaser for resale to which respondents sent Attachment A to replace the Dura Lube labels and packaging with labels and packaging that comply with this order.

C. In the event that respondents receive any information that subsequent to its receipt of notice of this order any purchaser for resale is using or disseminating any advertisement or promotional material specified in Attachment A, respondents shall: (1) immediately send such purchaser for resale a letter requesting that it stop using or disseminating any item specified in Attachment A and notifying it that the respondents will report its use or dissemination of any item specified in Attachment A to the Commission; and (2) within thirty (30) days notify the Associate Director for Enforcement, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Federal Trade Commission, in writing, of such purchaser for resale's identity and its use or dissemination of any item specified in Attachment A.
IX.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondents shall, for five (5) years after the last correspondence to which they pertain, maintain and upon request make available to the Federal Trade Commission for inspection and copying:

A. Copies of all signed statements obtained from persons or entities pursuant to part VII of this order;

B. Copies of all notification letters sent to purchasers for resale pursuant to subparagraph A of part VIII of this order; and

C. Copies of all communications with purchasers for resale pursuant to subparagraph C of part VIII of this order.
X.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that:

A. Not later than five (5) days after the date this Order becomes final, respondents shall deposit by electronic funds transfer into an escrow account to be established by the Federal Trade Commission for the purpose of receiving the payment due under the provisions of this order, the sum of two million dollars ($2,000,000). In the event of any default on any obligation to make payment under this Part, interest, computed pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1961(a) shall accrue from the date of default to the date of payment. In the event of default, respondents shall be jointly and severally liable for the two million dollar ($2,000,000) payment required by this paragraph and any interest on such payment.

B. The funds paid by respondents pursuant to subpart A above, together with accrued interest, less any amount necessary to pay the costs of administering the redress program herein, shall be used by the Federal Trade Commission or a Redress Administrator designated by the Federal Trade Commission to provide refunds to Dura Lube purchasers. Payment to such persons represents redress and is intended to be compensatory in nature, and no portion of such payment shall be deemed a payment of any fine, penalty, or punitive assessment. A consumer shall have the right to participate in the redress distribution only upon signing a waiver of rights and release of all claims against respondents. The Federal Trade Commission has sole discretion to determine how any redress funds are administered and distributed. Respondents shall be notified as to how the funds are disbursed, but shall have no right to contest the manner of distribution chosen by the Federal Trade Commission. The Federal Trade Commission, or its designated Redress Administrator, shall in its sole discretion select the escrow agent.

C. Respondents relinquish all dominion, control and title to the funds paid into the escrow account, and all legal and equitable title to the funds shall vest in the Treasurer of the United States unless and until such funds are disbursed to the designated purchasers of Dura Lube. Respondents shall make no claim to or demand for the return of the funds, directly or indirectly, through counsel or otherwise; and in the event of bankruptcy of any respondent, respondents acknowledge that the funds are not part of the debtor's estate, nor does the estate have any claim or interest therein.

1. Not later than the date this Order becomes final, respondents shall, to the extent available, provide to the Federal Trade Commission, in computer readable form (standard MS-DOS diskettes or IBM-mainframe compatible tape) and in computer print-out form, a list of the name and address of all consumers in the United States who purchased Dura Lube from January 1, 1994, to December 31, 1999.

D. The Redress Administrator shall destroy all records relating to this matter six (6) years after the transfer of any remaining redress funds to the U.S. Treasury or the closing of the account from which such funds were disbursed, whichever is earlier, provided that no records shall be destroyed unless and until a representative of the Federal Trade Commission has received and approved the Administrator's final accounting report. Records shall be destroyed in accordance with disposal methods and procedures to be specified by the Federal Trade Commission. The Federal Trade Commission may, in its sole discretion, require that such records, in whole or in part, be transferred, in lieu of destruction, to the Federal Trade Commission.
XI.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondents shall, within sixty (60) days after service of this order, file with the Federal Trade Commission a report, in writing, setting forth in detail the manner and form in which they have complied or intend to comply with this order.

XII.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that this order will terminate on May 3, 2020, or twenty years from the most recent date that the United States or the Federal Trade Commission files a complaint (with or without an accompanying consent decree) in federal court alleging any violation of the order, whichever later occurs; provided, however, that the filing of such complaint will not affect the duration of:

A. Any paragraph in this order that terminates in less than twenty years;

B. This order's application to any respondent that is not named as a defendant in such complaint; and

C. This order if such complaint is filed after the order has terminated pursuant to this paragraph.
Provided further, that if such complaint is dismissed or a federal court rules that the respondent did not violate any provision of the order, and the dismissal or ruling is either not appealed or upheld on appeal, then the order will terminate according to this paragraph as though the complaint had never been filed, except that the order will not terminated between the date such complaint is filed and the later of the deadline for appealing such dismissal or ruling and the date such dismissal or ruling is upheld on appeal.

By the Commission.

Donald S. Clark
Secretary

SEAL

ISSUED: May 3, 2000

ATTACHMENT A

BY CERTIFIED MAIL, RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED

[To be printed on respondents' letterhead]

[date]

Dear [purchaser for resale]:

As you may be aware, on April 29, 1999, the Federal Trade Commission ("FTC") issued a complaint against Dura Lube Corporation, American Direct Marketing, Inc., Howe Laboratories, Inc., Crescent Manufacturing, Inc., National Communications Corporation, The Media Group, Inc., Herman S. Howard, and Scott Howard.

In its complaint, the FTC alleged that advertisements for Dura Lube Engine Treatment have made unsubstantiated claims that, compared to motor oil alone or motor oil treated with any other product, using Dura Lube Engine Treatment: (1) Reduces engine wear; (2) Reduces engine wear by more than 50%; (3) Prolongs engine life; (4) Reduces emissions; (5) Reduces the risk of serious engine damage when oil pressure is lost; (6) Improves gas mileage; and (7) Improves gas mileage by up to 35%. In addition, the FTC alleged that Dura Lube Engine Treatment advertisements made an unsubstantiated claim that one treatment of Dura Lube Engine Treatment continues to protect the engine for up to 50,000 miles.

Further, the FTC alleged that Dura Lube Engine Treatment advertisements falsely claimed that tests prove that, compared to motor oil alone, using Dura Lube Engine Treatment: (1) Improves gas mileage; (2) Improves gas mileage by up to 35%; (3) Reduces emissions; (4) Prolongs engine life; (5) Reduces engine wear; and (6) Reduces the risk of serious engine damage when oil pressure is lost. The FTC also alleged that Dura Lube Engine Treatment advertisements falsely claimed that tests prove that one treatment of Dura Lube Engine Treatment continues to protect the engine for up to 50,000 miles. Finally, the FTC alleged that Dura Lube Engine Treatment advertisements set forth two deceptive demonstrations and a deceptive expert endorsement.

The FTC also alleged that advertisements for Dura Lube Engine Treatment have made false and unsubstantiated claims that: (1) Dura Lube Engine Treatment does not contain any chlorinated compound; and (2) Dura Lube Engine Treatment has been tested by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

On [date] the FTC issued a consent order to cease and desist which prohibits certain claims for Dura Lube Engine Treatment. We consented to the issuance of the order for settlement purposes only and without admitting any of the FTC's allegations that we violated the law. The order requires us to request that our distributors and wholesalers stop using or distributing advertisements or promotional materials containing claims challenged by the FTC. As one of our distributors or wholesalers, we are required to send [purchaser for resale] this letter.

Specifically, the FTC order prohibits us in the future from making false claims that Dura Lube Engine Treatment (1) contains no chlorinated compound; and (2) has been tested by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. The order also requires that we have a reasonable basis for any performance claims we make for Dura Lube Engine Treatment or any other product for use in a motor vehicle. Finally, the order prohibits us from disseminating (1) any deceptive demonstrations regarding Dura Lube Engine Treatment or any other product, or (2) any expert endorsements regarding Dura Lube Engine Treatment or any other product for use in a motor vehicle.

We request your assistance by asking you to discontinue using, distributing, or relying on any of your advertising or promotional material for Dura Lube Engine Treatment received from us prior to January 1, 2000. Please also notify any of your customers who resell these products and who may have such materials to discontinue using those promotional materials. Under separate cover, we will be sending you replacement promotional material that you will be able to use. You do not need to dispose of your existing inventory of Dura Lube Engine Treatment because we will send someone to your facility to replace the Dura Lube Engine Treatment labels and packaging with labels and packaging that comply with the FTC order shortly. If we receive information that you are continuing to use materials that do not comply with the FTC order, we are required to notify the FTC of your failure to comply with this request.

Thank you very much for your assistance.

Sincerely,

[name]
President

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Ken, all I can speak of is my own personal experience with Dura Lube. The Intruder had 57,000 miles when sold, my VFR has 37,000 miles, my 94 Chevy Van has 157,000 miles, no engine problems or work on any of these vehicles. The 15-degree drop in normal engine running temperature on the VFR is right off the gauge. I had it serviced by the local Honda at 16,000 miles and they forgot to add the Dura Lube I gave them. The mechanic gave me back the additive and ask me how I knew he forgot, I told him the temperature gauge. I drain half a quart of oil and added the Dura Lube, guess what, the temperature drop back down. Over the past 10 years it has worked for me.
 

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the temp gauge lowering is very interesting. It makes me wonder what is so "bad" with regular oil that such an incredible amount of heat is not generated..... :shock: Do you have a temp gauge for the coolant on the Rune? My Harley buddy keeps asking me when do the fans kick in and when do they stop. By far, the WORSE metal wear on my Rune are those footpeg protectors... I have 1/8 inch left on both of them. ken (8,200 miles & hummin)
 

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Ken, I do not have a temperature gauge for my Rune. The Rune owner's manual does not give the specific temperatures that kick the cooling fan on and off, that is strange because, my VFR owner's manual does. I will not add Dura Lube until the 4,000 mile oil change. Unfortunately it may take a while for me to reach that number. I worked on the Big Island of Hawaii during the week and fly back to my wife and home on Maui every other weekend. Motorcycles are my only means of transportation on the Big Island and there was no way I was going to leave the Rune in the Airport parking during my trips home. So the VFR stays and Rune was shipped back to Maui so I have something to ride there. I know it’s a tuff life but someone’s got to do it. I don’t feel the need to drag the Rune’s pegs in the curves, that’s what my VFR is for.
 
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