[hispy05]

Hi techincal specialist,
Could any body could tell me if it's possible to limit/reset the 5500RPM break limit on the Rune. The real goal being able to down grade the max 87 KW to as close as possible to 73 KW.
I contacted Dynojet but they have no solution for the GW or Rune. Ultimatly no devise should remain on the bike ...due to the French admin inspection...
I forgot, this should not down grade the pollution control official level...

 

[NH Bill]

rev limiter

And if you also know how to raise the rev limit ... would this raise the top speed?

Any engine risk?

NH Bill
8)

 

[hispy05]

Sorry I am not sure I understood your point...my only goal is to reduce the engine /crank output down to 73/75 KW level to get the French homologation. I figured if I could manage to limit the RPM break point below 5500 it could do the trick...but I don't know how to do that on the ECM.
BTW if the bike goes slower afterward I don't realy care .

 

[Minimarvel]

Solution....

Ship it to the UK, register it in the UK and then ship it back to France as a Euro bike. They have to accept it by law.

 

[Adrian]

Hi techincal specialist,
Could any body could tell me if it's possible to limit/reset the 5500RPM break limit on the Rune. The real goal being able to down grade the max 87 KW to as close as possible to 73 KW.
I contacted Dynojet but they have no solution for the GW or Rune. Ultimatly no devise should remain on the bike ...due to the French admin inspection...
I forgot, this should not down grade the pollution control official level...

I know that there is a way to put a rev limiter on the bike so set it at 4000 rpm's. Lamont will be able to help you out with the brand.

Adrian

 

[hispy05]

Hi,
Sorry but the UK trick does not work ! I already spent time with the SVA UK registration office (very nice guy).
When in UK you do an isolated homologation it's only valid for UK, not EEC.
The only country doing it "EEC" is German TUV, apart from the HP output since they do not have the french specific 73/75KW engine/crank limitation.
I am interested by the rev limitation possibility, but I wonder if 4000RPM is not going to be a bit to low...

 

[Adrian]

After the test you would just set it up to what it needs.

Adrian

 

[hispy05]

Yes possibility to go back to the previous seting is exactly what they are investigating, this is why we have 11 levels of power limitation complexity... This type of machine should comply to level 11 !(highest)
This is why on the french GW it's a specific French Honda ECM, showing it's complying (sticker on the bike), in limiting the engine to 73/75KW, but not sure how they really do it.

 

[Minimarvel]

UK

I am looking at the registration document for my RUNE in the UK. It does not say country of origin or anything to say it is an isolated import. It reads that it was new at import and nothing else. How can they discover anything else from this document.

I am also told by my friend who exports MV all over Europe that the French only use the information on the log book. Another way would be to register it is the UK and then drive it around France on the UK plates. I'd happily help...

 

[hispy05]

Well...talking with both French and UK homologation offices, for a none manufacturor EEC homologated product it does not work when you have an isolated UK homologation ( very unfortunate).
It would be diffrent it it was a GoldWing, Honda EEC homologated, even if it was isolated homologation, since the bike type would be already EEC, registered.
Riding a none French tag is possible but not easy since it can't be under your name for more than 2 months, after that you must get the homologation...other way is to have it under a none French citizen name have his country tag. It's a possibility I may use if annibale manage his bike homologation in Italy after the german TUV. Alternatively I could rent it to a none French company.
As you can see we try hard to find a solution with couple of people on this board.
BTW I have seen several Brand new Rune from Est US Honda dealer between K$19 &21 on Ebay...with the Euro at 1.32 it's a good time to buy. Next step will be after March 12th when Annibale will have the TUV process started in Germany..prior to trying to get his Italian homologation...
That said any creative, and secure process would be welcome, I am ready to learn. If your friend can garanty a process to get it registered in France, and if he as a fair price ( compare to US nowdays prices) I am a very serious customer

 

[Minimarvel]

From the SVA(UK) web site. I am told that the SVA must be

Motorcycle Type Approval
Since the 17th of June 2003 there has been a change in the way Motorcycles are registered...

Customers wishing to register motorcycles, tricycles and quadricycles (including quad bikes, sometimes known as ATVs) are required to produce evidence of type approval (TA), unless they meet with an exemption. Current exemptions include:

Slow vehicles, not designed to exceed 6km/h;

Vehicles intended for pedestrian control;

Vehicles intended for use by the physically handicapped;

Tractors and machines, used for agricultural or similar purposes;

Vehicles intended for use in competitions, both on and off the road i.e. trial or enduro bikes.
Vehicles over 10 years old.
For the vast majority of vehicles, proof will take the form of a Certificate of Conformity (COC's). If a COC is not presented, the other form of acceptable proof is an approval certificate issued under the Single Vehicle Approval Scheme (SVA).

The reason for the change was the compulsory introduction of a European wide approval scheme for motorcycles (ECWVTA), similar to the existing scheme for cars. If a vehicle does not have a COC and is not exempt from approval, the Single Vehicle Approval Scheme (SVA) exists as an alternative route to approval. The SVA scheme seeks to establish that vehicles comply with UK design and safety standards or equivalent standards. More information on the SVA scheme is available on the Vehicle Operator Services Agency website at www.vosa.gov.uk


PLEASE NOTE: Motorcycles must either have ECWVTA or Single Vehicle Approval. Without such approval, or an exemption from it, such vehicles

 

[hispy05]

Well maybe if you talk to the guy I spoke with at VSA Chris Corker
0870-6060440 or 01792 9542544, you will have a diffrent story.

The isolated UK document does not show or comply, to my knowledge for EEC wide homologation.
I know Walkrod is trying to get some additional documents related to his bike homologation.

 

[Minimarvel]

More info

Please follow this link.

It explains that if you have a vehicle already as a European vehicle anywhere in Europe and you then sell that vehicle as a used vehicle in any member states, then it must be accepted as it has already been accepted in Europe. Indeed this is the whole point of the ECWVTA and SVA. Do a search on ECWVTA. but you can download the rules via this link.

http://www.vca.gov.uk/downloads/files/vca039.pdf

I have a bike registered in the UK. If you want to try and register it in France to see what happens you are welcome.

 

[hispy05]

Why not, let's try ? is it more than 6 months old and +6000km ( an other rule to define a second hand vehicule).

If you send me a copy of the document I can show them to the homologation office and I will see what the will tell me !!
Could you tell me ore about your bike ( Color, bar type, miles?..)

 

[Minimarvel]

I do speak with Chris at Bristol often, and while he knows the system very well, he is assuming you are talking of a SVA in the UK for a registration in France. I am saying register it in the UK and then sell it as used bike to France.

Once it is a UK registered Bike, how can they then refuse to register it in France. Once it is a UK vehicle, it is a European bike to European standards. Another way is to register it in the UK as a Rune "Goldwing".
You have to play the system a bit if you want to bypass some of the red tape.

"If the French won't buy our lamb, we won't buy their letters"

 

[hannibal]

Hi Minimarvel,
theorically you are right.
unfortunately the opinion of the local motorisation bureaus is different.
so practically when you pose the question of the European rules they reply.
make the demand and if you are right in 3-4 years we will give to you a reply.
concerning the UK rules, forget they will be accepted in UE. you may register trikes, as j saw at austria walk meeting that are completely out of the ue law.
anyway your papers are interesting and j will show to some friends inside for furher coments.
ciao
hannibal

 

[hispy05]

I am ready to try this, even if I am not 100% conviced I will not have some issues with the French (like for the specific 73/75KW limitation)
Do you know a second hand Rune nice Cherry or Black ,rear bars, more than 6 months with 6000km for sell ?
The other way around would be to I buy one, have it registerd in UK under a UK citizen, I would use it for 6 months, 6000km in France and then get it registered in France.
Prior to this all trick, I would love to have first, a set of UK document to ask the French admin how the feel about it.

 

[Runerod]

Hi Minimarvel, I've been working with Jacques for a while on this one. Originally I thought that he could do exactly what you say, ie import and register one in the UK and ship it over to France. When I spoke to Chris in Bristol (amongst others) he said the French would not acccept a UK registered SVA'd bike because ithe SVA applies to a single particular vehicle 'only' and not a vehicle type. He said the rules for single vehicles are not universal europe-wide.
Personally I STILL think they would HAVE to accept it. The rule you mention (the one which led me to original conclusion) is in black and white - if a vehicle passes for UK roads then you're allow to register it for the whole EU, period.
The main problem is that the officials on both sides of the channel seem totally confused with this situation, and Jacques is so far stuck going back and forth like a EU tennis ball.
If you have a UK registered bike that he could try to 'force them' to register in France then that sounds a good idea. However they've got the advantage in that they probably don't care how long it would take him or how difficult or expensive it would be, to make them see sense.
The Eurocrat lawmakers should stick to trying to straighten the banana and ban the British sausage.
Runerod (aka Valkrod)

 

[Minimarvel]

I can't stand the bureaucrats. My Bike is 6 months old but only 1000kms....but we could lie......!

If you would like some fun, I'm game.

I am happy to let him try. 07836 626133 if you want to discuss. Maybe another way is to SVA it as a Goldwing Rune (lets face it they don't have a clue what it is) and then use the EEC approval for that to get it registered. Funny, when I SVA ed mine, I had to convince them it wasn't a Goldwing because they said the only bike with the 1800 engine was the GWing!!! Maybe let them have their way this time.........!!!

 

[hispy05]

Trying the GW trick will not work. You have to request a EEC homologation certificat to Honda France for the French admin ( I already did) Honda will NOT confuse GW and Rune, and since the French admin oversize staff has tones of experience tracking down citizens, they won't let follow this track.DEAD END
Trying with your could be some fun /game...not sure how you can solve the 6000km issue ..except if you take a paper on the odometer stating : I am 6000km Sir....OPEN
When I came back from Switzerland ( not EEC) they spent 2 hours on Merc and 1:30 on my BMW R1200c...just looking all over if they could find everything they were suppose to see by the EEC book...Funny it was easy for the RENAULT !!
I am going to ring you up now to discuss your gaming plans, I love to play aswell !!